MAFIA THE GAME

thefiend wrote:

What the heck is going on here. NO TIES GUYS! Who all switched votes at the end Im too confused. Wave drak and camn? Therefore they are suspicious!

If you read, you will see that Wave and I were playing for No Tie... but Drak was not.

I move that we sub in ELIPSE for BoonDox, then.
We shouldn't have to deal with nonparticipants.


That said.. I
VOTE DRAKLEMS


Do you have ANY explanation for forcing a tie?

and PS.. I work long days tomorrow and tuesday.. so I will not really be avail.

“Draklems has issues with me this game”

@Wave - C’mon…let’s please just stop this crap. Read my posts, all of them. I have not “attacked”, I have no “grudges”, which should be obvious to camn now since the tie, and have NO “issues” with you or anyone else. WTF? When all is said and done I hope to see you’re just playing this up because your mafia. Presently that’s the only reason I can think of why you would seek confrontation when there is none.

I hate to say this knowing Camn and my discontent for each other in previous games ( all in good fun of course ), But I think at this point he is making sense lets get rid of the person that forced the tie.


Vote DRAKLEMS

Sweetheart!

I let you live last game!

I got nothing but !

Draklems that was a very anarchistic move and I am feeling all threatened, plus i love to see people hang. That was total :shit: on your part and you must go. There is only room for one anarchist in this town.

I vote Draklems

I have a feeling your going to try claiming your the cop so if you are going to waste our time please do it earlier then later.

Current Vote Tally
1 vote Boondox (Wave)
3 Votes Draklems (Camn, Gtosdad, Ann R. Kist)

Drake caused the tie , to save camn ?? if so ... meow camn is the first to vote for drak.

If drake was mafia , and Camn was innocent why wouldn't he have just let camn die..

Didn't Camn voting for you last game when you were both mafia really piss you off Epod. Why would he do any different this game.

Exactly Epod`Lady Since being accused of attacking, having a grudge, and having issues about another player, the game seems to have lost some intrigue for me. I would never quit though. Anyway, those accusations happened for one of two reasons. One, they are mafia members creating strife, or two they are innocents that really believe that. Either way I’m not going to campaign for other to change their votes. Maybe after I’m lynched and it’s shown I was innocent it might help others put together some pieces to the puzzle.

Vote: Draklems

I’ll change my vote if the cop decides to announce I’m innocent or another’s guilty because that would serve the townies better, being that our numbers would be greater as a result. I’m in no way asking for that though, I’m just say’n.

1 vote Boondox (Wave)
4 Votes Draklems (Camn, Gtosdad, Ann R. Kist, Draklems)

It seems that Draks voting created a tie and saved camn...and possibly thefiend...this leads me to the conclusion that 3 of the 4 mafia are Draks, camn and thefiend.....my vote for thefiend was I still think on the right track, and I also believe that the consensus vote for camn was also right....therefore I will go for the instigator of the previous tie and the saving of two people that very probably mafia......

I Vote Draklems

thefiend and camn must be next on our list of suspects....I wonder where the Cop is???

1 vote Boondox (Wave)
5 Votes Draklems (Camn, Gtosdad, Ann R. Kist, Draklems, talhun69)

....I'm so confused.....

Camn was pretty straightforward with his question of a valid reason for causing a tie and that question was ignored.

Besides, I hate last minute vote switching. The only time I used that was when I was mafia myself.

VOTE DRAKLEMS

my vote

vote boondox

how ever i may change it i know drak may have caused the tie but i agree with wave i think he needs a pass and we continue with the no lurker stratagey, imo anyway, but i'll check in a little bit later and se what has happened

Hmmmm...

I still have my doubts about thefiend, but draklems did seem to force the tie, and hasnt defended the move...
but i feel the lurker amongst us is still an issue...is he just too busy to play???

now im not trying to stir things up here but has any one noticed how little talhun really says???

now yeah im not hugely involved but im trying to get a firm hold on the game to keep the town alive.

also im not entirely convinced about camm either...so for now ill hold my vote till a few more posts...

On pages 1 AND 3 you'll find my reasons for why I made it a tie. As to the other point someone mentioned, I feel no need to defend against something that’s speculation, that would just sound like whining. Innocents sometimes have to die for the game to progress, I’ve got no problem with that. I still know though that not only did a tie statistically play in the favor of the town, there is a hypothetical situation that would ensure victory approximately 70 percent of the time if townies choose to use it at the begging of a mafia game, given the numbers are similar to what we have now.

Scenario - Say the town agrees to not kill and innocent for the first 4 or 5 days, that is all innocents agreed to that consensus in the first day. Those choosing not to tie or causing a no-tie would, in accordance with the initial agreement, be investigated by the cop and/or lynched the next day. That gives mafia 5 kills, and the maybe 1 or 2 lynched by the town due to manipulations or whatever. The mafia would not want to be singled out as having not agreed because it targets them for investigation and/or lynching. The townies only need 4 innocent verdicts to win the game, and the cop would make 5 Innocents. Those 5 then stick together in voting for anyone other than the group of 5. Statistically speaking that gives the townies a victory rate of around 70% per game. The mafia could only win the other roughly 30% of the time if they got lucky and nailed the cop. If the cop were to come out say on day 2, and have the docs protection, that 30% chance of the mafia wining decreases even more.

The very beggining of the game is mostly about numbers and percentages. The rest of the arguments (referencing past games and this one) and accusation mostly just cloud or confuse the truth. If this were played for money, the rich would be the ones that played using the odds and percentages to their benefit.

ARRR,

My head is still ringing. Anyway, by issues I mean Mafia issues. Not personal. Was not claiming personal issues. Drakes and thefiend have issues with me and they are devious ones. Yup, that tie really sent me up the ladder.

I will withdraw my vote from the lurker.

Unvote Boondox
Vote Drakelems

It's not right that there are lurkers. However it is also not right that people get to switch roles. The idea of anyone lynched assuming a lurker's living role doesn't really seem legitimate.

But Drak.. this has been gone over elsewhere.

the problem isn't the math.. the problem is that that kind of game ISN'T FUN.

It is that kind of Cop-Reliant play that crated "broken" roles.. such as the Paranoid Cop (who is only accurate X% of the time), the Godfather, the Serial killer (both investigation immune), and Cop-Less setups. I will definate use these roles when I mod.

So if you play like that.. and add broken roles.. the beginning of the game is boring, and the endgame is the same as always.

But that is neither here nor there.

You should remember, kissed.. I voted for you and Drak.... I left Epod alone

NOw I go to work.

See youall after deadline!

c

Draklems, and anyone else defending a theory that HEAVILY relies on the cop, in my opinion, are taking away the essence and the fun of the game.

People are turning this into too much Math and Statistics.

Draklems, your theory sounds pretty dandy, so in that case all we need to do is follow a recipe and avoid the forums all together.

NO! I say that we should always lynch somebody because that's what this game is about. You will get some innocents at first, but in the process you learn a lot about the people that surround you.

I'll repeat myself: if we rely solely on the cop, the game is fun ONLY for people with special roles! I really have to re-read carefully all the theories in case I miss a detail because this would be the first time I disagree with Dustin, but after following the kill-the-lurkers theory, I agree that it also plays into Mafia's hand.

What we must do is have staff punish the true lurkers (the ones that don't even read). I want to Moderate next game and put some ideas into practice to see how full of crap I am. I could go on but I realize I'm starting to talk about the game in general and not this particular one.


1 vote Boondox (tubby)
7 Votes Draklems (Camn, Gtosdad, Ann R. Kist, Draklems, talhun69, Adrian, Wave)

ok i am confused, at least a little bit. but i don't like changing my vote since i doubt anyone is gonna follow me, and changing my vote is wishy washy and i try to make a decision and stick with but i understand what the rest of my fellow townspeople are doin. I will be out most of the day, by the way for clarities sake the deadline is back to 9 pm??

DEADLINE 11 PM i gotta work.

I'll explain why I changed my vote. Why I changed it this time around, anyway.

I was pretty furious last night when that tie calamity happened. I could have sent my keyboard right through my screen, honestly. I was mad at myself for missing the deadline as well. I mean it is so obvious who brought about the tie and I think that he should be voted for the noose. But again I was so mad I couldn't even think straight and simply followed usual protocol and voted for the lurker. That was the only rational thought I could eke out of my mind at the time.

That time has passed and I have changed my vote to one of the obvious candidates for the lynching.

Draklems and thefiend are my friends and even in my frustration of last night there is no way I would think that they bear me any ill will outside of the game. I'm sure Drakes knows that, so I'm wondering if he's just adding a little bit of ham to his sandwich

Cool new smilies. Couldn't resist using that last one. Or this one

ooo We Got more time...hmmm.... well im not so sure about draklem being mafia i think he might of been stitched up a lil but he doesnt have a good defence...
camm hmmm still not sure about camm...

Cos i think that boondox needs to be outed simply for not participating....

Vote- boondox

What a difference a good night's sleep makes!

R.I.P Elipse - we hardly heard from ye...

I really don't think Drak is mafia; if he is... as he put it himself, last night's shenanigans would have been a pretty bone-headed move.

Well, let's be honest, last nights shenanigans were bone-headed no matter which side he's on, 'cause he's got 7 votes already today and I doubt anything will change that.

Drak, you say you forced a tie not to save camn or fiend specifically, but just to force us not to lynch anyone? 'Cause most of us aren't into the whole no-lynch thing. And it's just not a good idea to antagonize a crowd of paranoid townies with torches. We'll put you up next, just so you won't throw anymore wrenches!

Still... I have a hard time voting for those I don't think are scum. UNLESS... it's a lurker.

I Vote Boondox

Lurkers are a liability. And hey, for all we know - he might be scum!

I have to go to the big city , I'm sure I'll be back in time for the vote , but just incase- I'm gonna vote for the lurker. If the town gets stuck at the end with a lurker it screws the game for us townies.


I Vote Boondox ( yay , I finally figured out how to use the bold function )

Current Vote Tally

4 votes Boondox (tubby216, DJ Sypher, statelywayne, Epod~Lady)
7 Votes Draklems (Camn, Gtosdad, Ann R. Kist, Draklems, talhun69, Adrian, Wave)

Okay not that it matters but I am a Professional poker player and use statistics A lot and just wanted to say that there is a MAJOR MAJOR error in your analysis of the odds Draklems, I ain't going to go into it now, if you really want an explanation I'll give one but it will just clog up the board with mumbo jumbo no ones going to read.

Wave wrote:

If not then I will certainly vote boondox in the next round without question (if I don't die).

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Sorry just couldn't resist the opportunity to antagonize Wave

Wave's Vote = Draklems

Holy poop, this game is getting tough. I think I will go with the lurker route. But Wave is now awfully suspicious to me, trying to gain our trust by calling us friends and defending his lack of tie breaking abilities. Hmmmm, I think he knew the deadline was 11. Same goes for camn. camn claimed he wanted to stop a tie, but never actually did it. And drak is also another suspect causing the tie, but I cant believe he switched his vote to stop camn being lynched because camn voted for him RIGHT away no hesitation. I am innocent so drak didnt switch his vote for me. So I believe drak is innocent.

Chief suspects: WAVE and CAMN

Still working on that excell file and I have an evening class to go to. Dont think Ill make the deadline, but ill try.

1 vote: Boonie boondox